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bidwell

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I ride a motorcycle and really like the layout of CMP, the garages, the friendly laid back atmosphere of T1 but the track surface is the worst I've ever experienced.  Are there ANY plans to re-surface?  I understand this is a business and the cost vs. return must be weighed.
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Thanks for coming out, we are aware of the surface issues.  I actually have bid prices on my desk for repaving but not only is it a factor on the price of paving the whole track, you're looking at a minimum of 3 months down time with no income coming in, so timing will be the biggest issue. For the near future all I can say is I will be doing some things this winter to improve what we have now and  to ease the tire wear issue and improve grip levels to get us by until we can schedule further improvements.
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Thanks for the reply.  For what its worth, I would be spending a much greater portion of my track day budget at CMP if it were repaved.  I suspect many more would do the same.
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I have a car and i have to concur. I've put off going back to cmp for close to a year now. Right now my slicks are probably good for one session and it's a waste time going out after 11am or 12pm when the sun hits the track. I'm not sure of the cost but is it not an option to have a machine that they use on highways which take up a layer of old asphalt so when a new layer is put down its level with the existing pavement. That way technically you should never be down. (If you're doing the work in between scheduled track days.) Take the ground up asphalt and pie it up on site to cut down on hauling expenses. Then sell the ground up asphalt to recoup some cost.
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I've often wondered if the poor surface affects cars as much as bikes, your post answers my question.  I rode Saturday July 26th but only managed 3 sessions because My *new* $255 rear slick was destroyed.  If I were to do 2 complete days I'd go through over $1k in tires!  Thanks but no thanks, until its repaved I won't be going back.....

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Let me clarify. I run slicks and I could run probably all day if I ran the tires down to the cords. But when I get close the the wear indicators I change out the tires.
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Ya'll can't go to a harder compound on your tires?   just curious
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You know, I may be a bit biased. But I have run on surfaces MUCH more abrasive and tougher on tires that CMP. The road course at IRP, Atlanta Motor Speedway, and the most abrasive surface I have EVER been on; Rockingham.

There is not a surface laid that will minimize tire wear, CMP is no exception. I have experienced that grip at CMP is always tough to find, I thought that was because there always seemed to be a fair amount of sand on the track and consequently, the loss of grip increases in a non linear fashion when you are running scuffs as opposed to stickers.

The only saving grace is that everyone else is running on the same surface. Sounds like there may be a need to investigate alternate compounds like Todd had suggested.

Just a thought.

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I run Michelin slicks on my bike and use the "D" compound rear which is the hardest one available ("A" being softest).  Like I said, it was gone in 3 sessions.  Actually the 3rd session was a waste since my pace was 4 seconds off (running 38's in session 2). 

The fronts do much better because of the point and shoot nature of the track.  You really don't spend a lot of time braking while on the edge of the tire.
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